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Welcome to the first episode of season two

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of Community & Code.

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I'm Chris Reynolds,

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and I'm so happy to be kicking off

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twenty twenty six with this conversation

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with Taryn Almendarez.

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Taryn is a longtime Drupal community

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member, a friend of mine,

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a former developer advocate and the human

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being behind the handle Nine Lives Black

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Cat.

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In this episode,

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we talk about how online identities shape

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who we become.

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We talk about developer advocacy and how

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it's like therapy for developers and how

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accessibility becomes real the moment you

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need it yourself.

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And we talk about why community events

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shouldn't default to venues and activities

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where alcohol consumption is assumed as a

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default.

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We also get into Taryn's Twitch streaming

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and what it looks like to intentionally

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build a community where people can show up

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as their true selves.

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If you haven't already,

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And without further ado, here's Taryn.

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Welcome to Community & Code,

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the podcast where we talk to the human

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beings behind the commits.

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And today I'm talking to Taryn Almendarez,

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who is a long time Drupalista.

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I believe that's the appropriate word.

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She's worn a lot of hats,

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I'll say that.

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She's been involved in Drupal community.

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She's done developer advocacy.

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She's now currently working as a

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consultant,

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and that can mean a million different

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things.

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Welcome to the show, Taryn.

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Tell us about yourself.

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Hi, Chris.

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Thanks for having me.

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So yes, I'm Taryn Almondares.

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It is pronounced like Karen with a T.

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I've done this so many times.

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I felt it like immediately turn on, right?

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Right now, I am...

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What all am I doing?

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So I am the owner slash operator slash

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founder slash I needed something to put on

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the taxes.

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I own NLBC Works,

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which is a consulting firm doing like

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technical marketing.

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NLBC refers to my name on Drupal,

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Nine Lives Black Cat,

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which was my gamer tag.

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And I didn't realize that they were going

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to print it on my badge at DrupalCon.

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And then my street name is out there,

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but I've just been embracing it.

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I'm also a Twitch streamer.

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I'm also a mom.

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I used to be very involved in politics.

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I do a lot.

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I wear a lot of hats and a

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lot of wigs, a lot of wigs.

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Yeah,

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maybe the metaphor is a little bit

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different with the wig collection.

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Tell me about what drew you to Drupal

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specifically or originally,

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or like maybe your origin story into tech

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just generally.

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Yeah,

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I think that the origin story into tech

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is going to be a little bit more

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interesting because like like it is with

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most people that are in Drupal,

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it's like I need a job.

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And then there was a job and I

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needed to learn Drupal.

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So I did it right.

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Come for the code, stay for the community,

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as they say.

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But in the background,

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you see how I have like all this

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anime stuff.

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A lot of it is from Sailor Moon.

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And what happened is that when I was

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like fourteen, fifteen, I told my parents,

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hey, mom.

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I've been watching.

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Hey, mom.

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Hey, dad.

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I've been watching this show.

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It's called Sailor Moon.

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And I just found out Sailor Moon is

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from Japan.

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And they're like, OK, that's cool.

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And I was like,

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I want to learn how to speak Japanese

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because Sailor Moon speaks Japanese.

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That's why her mouth doesn't match when

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she's talking like, OK, here's some books.

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And I was like, OK, cool.

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So I'm like teaching myself Japanese.

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Right.

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Because I'm just like,

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that's who I've been.

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That is who I've been my whole life.

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I want to do a thing.

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I go and do it.

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And then I'm like, mom and dad,

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do you know what I found out?

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You can make websites about Sailor Moon on

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the Internet.

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I want to learn how to make websites.

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And they're like, OK,

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here's a book on how to make websites.

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And so that's what I did.

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So see, I never got a book.

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I just got a GeoCities account.

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And I was like looking at like the

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source code of everybody else's GeoCities

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account and then like copying blocks of

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HTML into my site and then figured out

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eventually that those things meant stuff.

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Nice.

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I got to that point in the Neopets

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and MySpace era, right?

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Yes.

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That was a huge part of why I

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learned CSS.

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And I was like, oh my God.

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I remember when I discovered PHP,

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I was like,

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what do you mean I don't have to

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copy this same text from the website over

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and over again?

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I can just have it called.

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It'll just show up.

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I was so proud of myself.

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When I learned that PHP was a thing,

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I had been doing copying and pasting.

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Perl scripts and CGI bin type files.

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I didn't know what any of this stuff

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did.

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I just knew that I could go to

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a website and I could search for a

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thing and like,

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do you have anything that does this type

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of thing?

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And there would be a script that came

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up and it was like,

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copy and paste this stuff and change these

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things.

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I'm like, okay,

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I can copy and paste stuff and change

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things.

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So like when I learned that PHP was

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like a language that sort of kind of

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did that stuff, except like better,

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it didn't require these weird libraries

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that would break.

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I was like, oh, okay.

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This is, this is, this is,

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this is actually sustainable.

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This is like,

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this is like something that I can actually

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maybe do.

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So I know, like, I don't know.

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I'm trying to think of – so what

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is happening right now is that my brain

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sees a camera in front of me and

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knows that I'm recording a thing.

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And it's like,

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you need to ask the next question.

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It's like, no,

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as you're trying to get asked questions,

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it's like, but we have to do something.

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We have to do the thing.

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I mean, you can ask me questions.

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Usually I'm the one that asks questions,

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but I'm happy to toss it over to

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you.

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I mean,

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obviously we're both pretty practiced at

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being the host.

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Oh, yeah.

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talk about uh so so yeah you uh

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i mean we worked together once upon a

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time and again now but uh previously you

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were uh kind of in my role at

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the company that i am currently at doing

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the thing that i do at that company

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my job i canceled him i didn't literally

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take your job he didn't literally take my

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job as a whole long story but

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But like,

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what drew you to that side of development?

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Because it's very different than the

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actual like working with people and

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clients and like, and I've talked to like,

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I talked to a bunch of dev rels

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on this podcast, like,

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so what what drew you?

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And what do you see as as sort

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of the extension or the like,

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where dev rel fits and sort of like,

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developer experience?

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I love this question.

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So what happened is that, you know,

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for me, coding is like solving puzzles,

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right?

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Figuring things out.

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How does this work?

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And the thing that I really enjoy is

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solving puzzles for other people in ways

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that like help them to get what they

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need done.

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It's why I really loved my job when

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I was working at the city of Dallas

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for their civilian retirement fund, right?

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And I did that,

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but then I wanted to do cooler things

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that were more dynamic that would help

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more people.

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So I moved on to another job and

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then another job after that.

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And I was at Lullabot at the time

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and I was trying to figure out like,

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what's the next step for me?

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Because on a lot of teams that I've

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been on, right,

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I was a front end developer,

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which was a whole different change from

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like being a webmaster.

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And I know I told you I wanted

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to talk about like identities on the

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Internet.

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Right.

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So I became a front end developer.

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I'm solving all these problems,

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but I'm also being the person that's kind

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of like the business analyst hat.

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I should have had a bunch of hats.

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I also have ADHD.

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It was a huge part of my personality

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reigning back in.

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And I was like, okay,

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what do I do next?

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And then Fatima Khalid,

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who was the developer advocate before both

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of us.

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So it's like a chain of web developers.

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It's a chain of developer advocacy, right?

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She's like, you know,

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you might be interested in being a

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developer advocate.

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And so I was like, oh, well,

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what is that?

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And she said to me,

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it's like you get to be a therapist

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for developers.

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And I was like,

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I can do that because I have cried

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over code a lot.

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And I would love to hold someone's hand

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through that.

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I'd like to be there for them.

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A therapist for developers.

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That's the first time I've heard it

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described as that.

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I think I like that.

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I don't know that I like the pressure

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associated with being a therapist for

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developers.

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It's like, it's not you.

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It's the semicolon.

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I promise.

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That's fair.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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How did you really feel about that commit?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I, I think,

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I think that's true.

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I think that's a, an interesting take.

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Um, uh, I think that, and obviously like,

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so Fatima, um, we, uh,

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we also have worked together a little bit

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and I had her on the Pantheon live

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stream, which we can, uh,

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link to in the show notes or whatever.

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Uh, um,

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cause she's over at GitLab now and you

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were at GitLab.

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I was at GitLab with her for a

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while.

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Yeah.

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It's like,

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I'm following Fatima everywhere she goes.

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I promise it's an accident.

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Yeah.

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Um, but what, what, uh,

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There's a big difference between,

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because part of what DevRel is,

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is also kind of being the public face.

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And we can talk about your public faces,

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because there might be plural.

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Was developer relations sort of like an

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introduction,

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or were you already kind of out in

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the world with your face plastered on

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things before becoming a developer

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advocate?

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That's a good question.

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I kind of was, actually.

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Like, in small parts.

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Because what happened when I went to my

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first DrupalCon is that I met this guy

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named Kaleem Harris.

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I actually have a LinkedIn post about it.

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I'm going to tell the story in small

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parts.

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So I met Kaleem at my first DrupalCon,

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and he explained, you know,

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if you want to level up in your

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job,

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you need to get out there and you

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need to go and, like, give talks.

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And I'm like, I'm sorry, what?

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Because before, like,

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I could not order food for myself at

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a restaurant, right?

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Like...

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I'd be like, hello.

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And I would make my dad order the

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food until he was like, you know what?

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You're going to learn the skill.

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And then he just kind of walked away.

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And me and the person at the restaurant

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are like staring, right?

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But I wanted to get better.

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I loved the work that I was doing

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and how it was helping people.

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And I said, well, you know.

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I think I can do this.

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There were problems that I encountered and

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that I learned about working for the city

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with regard to web accessibility.

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And I was like,

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I figured out some of these problems.

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I know that a lot of other people

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have these issues.

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And by me speaking up,

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I can help other people to fix their

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problems.

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So I did my first talk.

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It was called like Government Issues.

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And that is a short version of the

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name that I will keep to because I

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listened to a lot of Fall Out Boy

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growing up.

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So it was a very long title.

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Almost all of my talks have very long

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titles.

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But I did that at Texas Drupal Camp.

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That was my first camp that I spoke

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at.

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It was in a smaller room.

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And it was kind of scary,

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but everyone was really cool about it.

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So I did that, I think,

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three times that year.

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And then...

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I remember the reason why I kept doing

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it is because not because like of the

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attention that I got,

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but because people would come up and be

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like, you know,

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thank you so much for talking about that.

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I'm dealing with this problem too.

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And this gives me a way to solve

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it.

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Or I tried this and it didn't work

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for me, you know,

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or here's something that I tried and it

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didn't, it, it did work.

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And I remember actually at one of my

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first triple cons,

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a Pantheon employee heard me talking about

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how my senior developer at one position

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that will remain nameless for now said to

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me, well,

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we have to just back up our files

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manually because you can't use Git.

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Git is resource intensive.

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And that Pantheon employee was like, no,

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that person's peeing on your leg and

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telling you it's raining.

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They didn't say it like that, right?

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That's my way.

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But anyway,

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seeing like that being a developer

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advocate maybe that made the impression on

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me that you could help people like both

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to know like how to fix a problem

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and how to navigate issues like how to

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know like what is solvable and what is

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not and like when's it time to push

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the ejector seat that's a eighties kid

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reference there but um that that really i

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feel like that's what

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uh,

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inspired me to be in and stay in

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developer advocacy for as much as I could.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think a lot of us,

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uh,

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myself included that have been doing the

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work of developer relations for long

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before we had the title of developer

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advocate or evangelist or whatever you're

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going to call it.

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Um,

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And the thing that has come up a

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couple times on this show this year has

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been,

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I guess maybe last year when this episode

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is being released,

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is the idea that speaking as a way

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to overcome social anxiety and things like

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that,

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but also speaking as a shortcut

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for introverts at an event because when

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you present something at the event,

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you don't actually have to start

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conversations because other people will

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just come up to you and start talking

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to you.

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So you don't have to like super go

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out and be outgoing and initiate

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conversations because people will come and

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talk to you instead.

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So you're an introvert?

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I am not, personally.

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Although I'm a bit more of an ambivert,

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I think, these days.

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But I definitely have always been more...

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Well, I mean, I guess the thing is,

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it's weird.

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I like being around people.

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I've always been doing... In high school,

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I was doing theater.

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I've always been really social.

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But I...

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In situations where I'm around people that

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I maybe don't know or in unfamiliar

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situation,

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I'm very much going to like stick to

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the walls and wallflower unless I'm pulled

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into a conversation or if I have allies

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around me, right?

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Yeah.

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so so like i mean and and that's

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a thing that i've that i've even like

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even this last year too like um it's

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a thing that i've i've been working on

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when i went to i went to press

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conf uh last year um and i was

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going by myself uh and um because no

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one else from pantheon was going um and

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i knew that i would know people there

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But I didn't I wasn't going with anyone.

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So I didn't have like a de facto

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like social group to fall back on.

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Like, you know,

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I kind of knew that there but it

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wasn't like official or whatever.

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And and so I just told Courtney Robertson,

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who I'm hoping to get on this podcast

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at some point.

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Courtney, come on, come on, come on.

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um i just uh she's a developer advocate

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at uh godaddy and i said i i

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said don't let me wallflower and so when

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i got there she just like made it

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her job to introduce me to like every

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single person and pull me over and like

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and that i mean it helped and we

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like and and what was really cool that

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came out of that uh was um there

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was like a handful of us that were

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either um vegan or one person uh was

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um kosher um and

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the the way that the event was set

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up is like everybody kind of goes off

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off campus or you know off off venue

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to go out and get food so we

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just kind of like had our own little

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vegan collective which we called veg press

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uh and we just like ate lunch together

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and then sometimes a couple nights had

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dinner together and like that was it was

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really cool because to have that sort of

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like okay well i know this is taken

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care of because like there's a bunch of

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other people that are in the same boat

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as me which is also like super valuable

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for for like pro tip for anyone who's

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like

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like in that situation like yeah find find

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your find your allies find your find your

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people i have a similar story to that

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which is like i feel like this leans

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into the identity thing right where

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the way that you identify or like parts

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that of you that make up your identity

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end up kind of determining like who you

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end up being social with so toward the

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end of the first stint that i was

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at a pantheon right i was pregnant and

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i was very early in my pregnancy and

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we went to an event and most of

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what was getting brought out was like

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there was water

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Was there water?

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But then there was beer.

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And I couldn't say anything, right?

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And it's like, I can't drink this beer.

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So what ended up happening is I went

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and talked to one of the people at

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the restaurant.

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I was like, hi.

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I'm pregnant.

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No one at my job knows.

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Could you please bring some lemonade out?

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Right.

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And so what happened is that the other

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people who did not drink either for like

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health reasons,

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religious reasons or professional reasons,

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whatever reason it was,

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I met a bunch of people that I

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would not have met if I had not

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had the pitcher of lemonade at my table.

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So it's really interesting like how that

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works out.

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Yeah, I've not...

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My partner and I have stopped drinking a

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couple years ago.

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Yeah.

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And the last year going to events,

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it's been very interesting being...

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Previously, I would try to...

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I would just not drink.

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I would just get water and I would

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just be whatever.

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But like...

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This last year,

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and because I was going to a lot

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more events this year,

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it was very interesting being the sober

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one in the room and finding other people

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that are also not partaking of the open

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bar or whatever drinks are being,

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and also finding, okay,

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so

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going to places and like all the parties

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are always at bars almost always at bars

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right it's always a thing so it's like

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okay uh how well has this particular venue

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planned for people in my situation like do

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they have an actual like mocktail uh list

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or do they have or they just have

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like yeah you can have a coke well

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i don't drink coke either but like i

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guess in a pinch you know

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Yeah.

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I know this reminds me of another part

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of my identity, right?

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For a while,

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because time is wibbly wobbly now.

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I was the lead of the Drupal Diversity

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Inclusion Initiative.

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And one of the things that we made

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sure to do, right,

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because even at DrupalCons, right,

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we're inclusive and things of that nature.

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But there are a lot of parties and

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in tech,

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a lot of parties involve drinking.

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um years before that i had gone to

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see a talk by a gentleman named victor

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yoko and he described like why it was

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so important for reasons of like people

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who don't want to drink right and he

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talks about like how um i don't want

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to like misquote anything but like there

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are people who yes they don't drink

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because they don't want to because

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pregnant

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other things,

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but also how some people are alcoholics.

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And by not offering a non-alcohol-centric

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opportunity,

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you are excluding somebody from a room.

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You're excluding them from networking,

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right,

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to being able to contribute to your

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project.

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And that always carried with me.

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And so every year,

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the Drupal Diversity and Inclusion

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Initiative at DrupalCon,

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we have a board game night.

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Like,

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that's our way of getting together and

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hanging out, right?

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That's our way of having fun.

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If you want to order alcohol, you can.

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It is optional.

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And it's been so great.

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This last DrupalCon in Atlanta in twenty

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twenty five,

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we had it at a like this little

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hole in the wall bar.

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That was also like a barcade,

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but they had plenty of like mocktails.

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So everybody got to do whatever they

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wanted to.

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And the thing that brought us together to

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have fun was just like all of the

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games that were there.

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Yep.

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And it was quiet too.

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So it's like we can choose.

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I know there's a lot of people with

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sensory overload stuff.

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So, yep.

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Our identities bring us together and drive

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us apart.

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I, that reminds me of,

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I was at a company retreat many,

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not many years,

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a few years ago for a company that

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I worked at before Pantheon.

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And

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know at night after a day long of

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like you know doing work sessions and

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stuff in person um obviously we go to

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the bar we go to whatever and get

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together and hang out and drink um and

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i had a friend who um drank heavily

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um several nights in a row and then

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got completely trashed and the next day

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he's like i'm not doing that again and

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i i need to not do this again

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and i was like okay um well

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why don't I be your sober buddy?

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Like you don't drink and I won't drink

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for the rest of the trip.

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And like,

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I don't have any particular reason to not,

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but like, I'll, I can,

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I will do this to make sure that

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like you have somebody,

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an ally that's doing this with you at

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least.

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Yeah.

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And that seemed to help.

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And I think,

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I think that he's been sober ever since.

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So I think, I mean,

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like it just takes like somebody to,

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to like just caring about like,

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people like and that gets into like yeah

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the the substance abuse thing where like

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um like i don't i i wouldn't necessarily

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characterize him as an alcoholic at the

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time but he was conscious enough of the

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sort of i don't want to say destructive

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behavior but like the consequences of

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like his actions that he wanted to make

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a choice to do something different.

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And then he did.

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And I like to think that that I

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helped a little bit.

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Yeah.

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But, you know, regardless,

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I think he's in a better place.

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And that's awesome.

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And like people have a million reasons to

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make those decisions.

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And I think that it's

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it's always important especially for like

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event planning type stuff to consider the

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full spectrum of human beings because

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there's a lot of different like a lot

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of us a lot of different places on

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your journey that you could be for a

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lot of different things yep i know the

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reason why i ended up getting so deep

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into accessibility um you know i i knew

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you know everybody knows like you see

00:22:20.112 --> 00:22:21.412
little things like oh this is handy at

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parking right that's what it was when we

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were kids and

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One summer when I was a receptionist

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working for this place that monitors pool

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phones.

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It's a whole thing.

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But I was there.

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And as a receptionist,

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I'm like this with my phone all day,

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right?

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And I got swimmer's ear,

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which I did not realize I could get

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if you weren't swimming.

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But there we are.

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And the thing about that was I lost

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hearing in this ear for like a good...

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I want to say it was at least

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two months.

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And so I couldn't put, you know,

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how I have my earbuds in today.

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I couldn't do that.

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And if I wanted to watch a video

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or tutorial or something on YouTube,

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if I was not able to like sit

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and listen to it, like out loud,

00:23:05.388 --> 00:23:06.587
I had to have subtitles.

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And that made me realize how much stuff

00:23:09.008 --> 00:23:10.929
on the internet is not subtitled.

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Yeah.

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And it, it just,

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I looked more into like,

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how do you do this?

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How would you even get this going?

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And, you know,

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I had a disability temporarily.

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Right.

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Right.

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Most people do not realize like,

00:23:27.176 --> 00:23:28.996
think like you're either born able-bodied

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or you're born not able-bodied right and

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it's like no every so often like even

00:23:34.620 --> 00:23:36.960
pregnancy is like uh determined as a

00:23:37.021 --> 00:23:39.002
disability temporarily right and i can

00:23:39.042 --> 00:23:41.023
tell you the way that my ligaments change

00:23:41.063 --> 00:23:42.524
because of the chemical composition of

00:23:42.564 --> 00:23:44.425
things flowing through my body yeah that

00:23:44.445 --> 00:23:45.906
was a disability it was not fun um

00:23:47.127 --> 00:23:49.108
also the the heartburn that no one told

00:23:49.148 --> 00:23:52.189
me about chris i'm sorry for the heartburn

00:23:52.228 --> 00:23:53.150
that nobody told you about

00:23:53.469 --> 00:23:54.930
But, you know, they tell you about, oh,

00:23:54.970 --> 00:23:55.931
yeah, you're going to get nausea.

00:23:55.991 --> 00:23:56.552
And it's like, OK,

00:23:56.572 --> 00:23:57.252
I can deal with that.

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Just heartburn, relentless heartburn.

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Right.

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But we can talk about being a mom

00:24:03.295 --> 00:24:03.637
in a bit.

00:24:04.197 --> 00:24:05.938
But, you know,

00:24:06.639 --> 00:24:08.459
there's all these things that can happen

00:24:08.479 --> 00:24:11.161
to you, either long term or short term.

00:24:11.822 --> 00:24:14.284
And it affects your abilities.

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Right.

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But it also affects how you identify,

00:24:17.365 --> 00:24:18.846
like how you see yourself.

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You know, I know like.

00:24:22.734 --> 00:24:24.414
Me going through pregnancy,

00:24:25.554 --> 00:24:28.356
that changed a lot of how I understood

00:24:28.477 --> 00:24:29.056
my world,

00:24:29.217 --> 00:24:32.018
how my husband showed up in our

00:24:32.038 --> 00:24:32.758
relationship.

00:24:35.508 --> 00:24:38.632
saw alien the alien movie prometheus and

00:24:38.652 --> 00:24:39.913
when they like did the thing and they

00:24:39.933 --> 00:24:41.575
tried to like she had to get the

00:24:41.716 --> 00:24:43.618
alien spoiler alert if you haven't seen it

00:24:44.139 --> 00:24:45.420
it's been like a long time but okay

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okay okay okay so in that movie like

00:24:49.384 --> 00:24:50.266
first of all i did not know it

00:24:50.285 --> 00:24:52.208
was an alien movie i freaking hate aliens

00:24:52.307 --> 00:24:53.048
i'm terrified

00:24:53.493 --> 00:24:55.594
aliens like we can talk about like never

00:24:55.614 --> 00:24:56.976
mind i won't do it i just don't

00:24:57.295 --> 00:25:00.257
that is my biggest phobia but the alien

00:25:00.297 --> 00:25:02.320
like put the baby inside of her or

00:25:02.360 --> 00:25:03.940
whatever right and she's like i don't want

00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:05.141
this in here so she goes to the

00:25:05.161 --> 00:25:07.583
machine to like get the c-section and like

00:25:07.643 --> 00:25:10.246
if c-section cuts her and i'm like no

00:25:10.365 --> 00:25:12.307
never want that nope never not at all

00:25:12.587 --> 00:25:15.110
and so in my care instructions on the

00:25:15.130 --> 00:25:16.250
little whiteboard they had they're like

00:25:16.271 --> 00:25:17.150
what do you want us to have and

00:25:17.170 --> 00:25:19.994
it's like uh no poking no cutting and

00:25:20.093 --> 00:25:21.275
i did that on purpose

00:25:21.954 --> 00:25:23.894
Because I wanted people to ask.

00:25:24.134 --> 00:25:25.815
Like, it would make it so it's like,

00:25:25.936 --> 00:25:26.976
why is this up here?

00:25:26.996 --> 00:25:27.595
What does this mean?

00:25:27.917 --> 00:25:28.677
So I could be like,

00:25:29.056 --> 00:25:30.118
I don't want an epidural.

00:25:30.138 --> 00:25:32.037
I don't want to have a C-section.

00:25:32.758 --> 00:25:34.640
And you know what I ended up with?

00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.061
An epidural and a C-section.

00:25:38.041 --> 00:25:39.102
And, you know,

00:25:39.241 --> 00:25:43.686
I had the greatest OBGYN because,

00:25:44.106 --> 00:25:45.168
you know,

00:25:45.188 --> 00:25:47.268
TLDR is that the way that my body

00:25:47.489 --> 00:25:49.911
is shaped after like after you don't have

00:25:49.951 --> 00:25:51.833
babies for like thirty some odd years.

00:25:51.873 --> 00:25:52.975
Right.

00:25:52.995 --> 00:25:54.115
There's another identity thing.

00:25:54.983 --> 00:25:56.204
Sorry, if you're watching this,

00:25:56.443 --> 00:25:57.644
I promise this makes sense.

00:25:57.664 --> 00:26:00.246
So I am thirty eight this year,

00:26:00.266 --> 00:26:01.108
thirty eight this year.

00:26:01.507 --> 00:26:03.329
When you get past like thirty five and

00:26:03.349 --> 00:26:04.050
you get pregnant.

00:26:04.429 --> 00:26:04.610
Chris,

00:26:04.630 --> 00:26:06.170
do you know what they label your pregnancy

00:26:06.250 --> 00:26:06.490
as?

00:26:07.171 --> 00:26:07.451
Yeah.

00:26:07.532 --> 00:26:09.673
Isn't it like I want to see like

00:26:09.693 --> 00:26:10.373
an elderly,

00:26:11.054 --> 00:26:13.135
some stupid geriatric geriatric.

00:26:13.156 --> 00:26:14.898
You have a geriatric pregnancy.

00:26:14.918 --> 00:26:15.237
Yeah.

00:26:15.297 --> 00:26:15.477
Yeah.

00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:18.320
So this is the thing, right?

00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:20.843
And I was,

00:26:21.304 --> 00:26:24.546
I had to get like special ultrasounds,

00:26:24.586 --> 00:26:24.928
right?

00:26:25.108 --> 00:26:26.609
And it had to be covered because I

00:26:26.650 --> 00:26:27.930
was at this age and all these other

00:26:27.970 --> 00:26:28.470
things, right?

00:26:30.192 --> 00:26:30.573
And

00:26:31.360 --> 00:26:33.701
That changed how people interacted with

00:26:33.782 --> 00:26:35.622
me, how that pregnancy went.

00:26:36.043 --> 00:26:38.624
But because I spent so long not pregnant,

00:26:38.664 --> 00:26:39.885
my body's like, I don't know.

00:26:40.947 --> 00:26:42.208
We don't open this door.

00:26:43.228 --> 00:26:43.488
What?

00:26:43.689 --> 00:26:44.370
And I'm sorry.

00:26:44.870 --> 00:26:46.430
Hopefully, if you're listening to this,

00:26:46.710 --> 00:26:47.572
this is a part of life.

00:26:47.711 --> 00:26:48.092
Whatever.

00:26:48.171 --> 00:26:49.033
Why am I apologizing?

00:26:49.493 --> 00:26:52.996
And so my daughter, she was having...

00:26:54.657 --> 00:26:56.577
Whenever the contractions were happening,

00:26:57.297 --> 00:26:59.139
it was lowering her heart rate.

00:26:59.639 --> 00:27:01.100
And it's like I had to get over

00:27:01.959 --> 00:27:04.200
my fear so that she could be born.

00:27:04.341 --> 00:27:04.500
Right.

00:27:04.601 --> 00:27:05.881
I had to have a C-section.

00:27:06.342 --> 00:27:07.843
And I think the greatest gift that my

00:27:07.882 --> 00:27:09.243
doctor gave to me, right,

00:27:09.283 --> 00:27:10.764
was not trying to push me into it.

00:27:11.244 --> 00:27:14.824
But when I signed up to meet with

00:27:14.864 --> 00:27:17.005
him, I have ADHD.

00:27:17.345 --> 00:27:18.625
And I had also learned a couple of

00:27:18.646 --> 00:27:19.105
years before that,

00:27:19.125 --> 00:27:20.825
that I have generalized anxiety disorder.

00:27:20.986 --> 00:27:22.326
And I was like, what's a gad?

00:27:22.647 --> 00:27:24.806
So because he knew these things, he said,

00:27:24.967 --> 00:27:25.487
hey, Taryn,

00:27:26.747 --> 00:27:27.888
I know that this is not the thing

00:27:27.908 --> 00:27:28.747
that you wanted to do.

00:27:29.408 --> 00:27:30.548
This is what we need to do.

00:27:31.369 --> 00:27:32.228
And I'm going to give you time to

00:27:32.268 --> 00:27:32.788
process it.

00:27:33.808 --> 00:27:34.890
And, you know,

00:27:34.910 --> 00:27:37.370
just the fact that he stood there holding

00:27:37.390 --> 00:27:38.370
my hand and he listened to me,

00:27:38.410 --> 00:27:38.771
I was like,

00:27:39.131 --> 00:27:39.871
I didn't want to do this.

00:27:39.891 --> 00:27:40.531
And he's like, I know.

00:27:41.017 --> 00:27:42.218
Like I wanted to like just have my

00:27:42.258 --> 00:27:43.038
baby naturally.

00:27:43.660 --> 00:27:45.281
And it gave me the time to accept,

00:27:45.301 --> 00:27:46.041
you know, yes,

00:27:46.081 --> 00:27:47.121
this is the thing I need to do

00:27:47.783 --> 00:27:49.583
in order for this other person who is

00:27:49.623 --> 00:27:51.525
now like the biggest part of my identity

00:27:52.166 --> 00:27:53.285
to be here.

00:27:53.466 --> 00:27:55.747
The person I've been waiting like thirty

00:27:56.568 --> 00:27:57.869
some odd years to see.

00:27:57.889 --> 00:27:58.949
So, yeah.

00:27:59.891 --> 00:28:00.071
Yeah.

00:28:01.922 --> 00:28:03.564
Going back to the original point too,

00:28:03.863 --> 00:28:07.365
not to downplay your point,

00:28:09.427 --> 00:28:12.267
but the original point of the idea that

00:28:12.849 --> 00:28:16.970
disability or accessibility needs are not

00:28:17.351 --> 00:28:20.231
for people that are permanently disabled

00:28:20.272 --> 00:28:22.613
or permanently have accessibility needs.

00:28:23.974 --> 00:28:25.235
I remember seeing a couple of different

00:28:25.675 --> 00:28:28.996
talks at WordCamps and whatever talking

00:28:29.016 --> 00:28:30.637
about accessibility and talking about the

00:28:30.717 --> 00:28:33.198
idea that if the sun is really bright

00:28:33.237 --> 00:28:34.778
and it's shining on your phone and you

00:28:34.818 --> 00:28:36.279
can't read the text on your phone,

00:28:36.739 --> 00:28:38.301
that is also an accessibility issue.

00:28:39.321 --> 00:28:42.563
There's a full spectrum of things that

00:28:42.682 --> 00:28:43.602
count as accessibility.

00:28:43.622 --> 00:28:45.744
It's not just this one thing.

00:28:45.764 --> 00:28:47.624
It's not just the handicapped car that you

00:28:47.644 --> 00:28:48.084
put in your

00:28:48.505 --> 00:28:50.307
your car and need the special parking

00:28:50.628 --> 00:28:51.169
space that you have.

00:28:51.189 --> 00:28:52.350
I mean, that's part of it.

00:28:52.370 --> 00:28:52.631
Sure.

00:28:52.650 --> 00:28:53.111
Right.

00:28:53.391 --> 00:28:54.754
There's a million different things that

00:28:54.774 --> 00:28:55.535
they can apply to.

00:28:56.134 --> 00:28:56.916
Um, and,

00:28:57.096 --> 00:29:00.200
and where we are is different day by

00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:00.440
day.

00:29:00.460 --> 00:29:01.983
And I think that that's definitely a thing

00:29:02.063 --> 00:29:02.883
that, um,

00:29:03.624 --> 00:29:05.985
is is an important part of of

00:29:06.104 --> 00:29:08.406
understanding how accessibility applies to

00:29:08.426 --> 00:29:11.345
uh web development the thing that that

00:29:11.885 --> 00:29:13.647
brought me to the internet that brought

00:29:13.746 --> 00:29:16.227
you maybe to the internet a lot of

00:29:16.266 --> 00:29:17.306
us a lot of the people that might

00:29:17.326 --> 00:29:21.188
be listening to this um yeah yeah okay

00:29:21.987 --> 00:29:23.388
i kind of want to ask you questions

00:29:23.428 --> 00:29:26.409
now okay you can so thank you so

00:29:27.708 --> 00:29:29.669
i wanted to talk about identity stuff but

00:29:29.748 --> 00:29:31.689
i also want to know like because we

00:29:31.749 --> 00:29:33.310
know each other but like

00:29:34.161 --> 00:29:38.683
Were you on AOL chat rooms back in

00:29:38.724 --> 00:29:40.124
the long time ago days?

00:29:40.664 --> 00:29:42.585
I didn't do AOL chat rooms.

00:29:43.187 --> 00:29:45.628
I predated AOL chat rooms.

00:29:45.868 --> 00:29:46.868
What?

00:29:47.409 --> 00:29:49.110
I did BBSs.

00:29:49.529 --> 00:29:50.110
In fact,

00:29:52.111 --> 00:29:56.212
I paid for a BBS subscription to a

00:29:56.233 --> 00:29:59.675
BBS before I paid for internet access.

00:30:00.824 --> 00:30:02.124
what?

00:30:02.144 --> 00:30:03.466
I didn't know that this was a thing.

00:30:03.585 --> 00:30:04.006
Yeah.

00:30:04.045 --> 00:30:06.647
So, so there is a, there is, um,

00:30:07.586 --> 00:30:08.907
I, I think, so I first,

00:30:09.026 --> 00:30:10.628
I first learned that these things existed

00:30:10.727 --> 00:30:12.868
like, uh, through a friend, um,

00:30:13.208 --> 00:30:15.149
and I would access things in the library.

00:30:15.169 --> 00:30:16.208
And then I saw that you could like,

00:30:16.948 --> 00:30:19.070
oh, you just need a phone, like a,

00:30:19.330 --> 00:30:20.029
like a modem.

00:30:20.050 --> 00:30:21.331
And then you can connect to the phone

00:30:21.371 --> 00:30:22.990
line and then you can dial this number

00:30:23.031 --> 00:30:24.352
and it connects you to this like chat

00:30:24.371 --> 00:30:25.072
room where there's other people.

00:30:25.112 --> 00:30:26.052
And there's like a network

00:30:26.512 --> 00:30:32.797
at the time of these local city-based BBSs

00:30:32.817 --> 00:30:33.679
in different places.

00:30:34.038 --> 00:30:35.920
And so I went to the San Francisco

00:30:36.081 --> 00:30:36.321
one.

00:30:37.481 --> 00:30:39.443
And then eventually,

00:30:40.505 --> 00:30:42.066
because I think server costs and whatever,

00:30:42.147 --> 00:30:44.689
they started charging for access to their,

00:30:45.429 --> 00:30:46.430
and also I think because it was part

00:30:46.450 --> 00:30:46.891
of a network,

00:30:47.431 --> 00:30:49.435
So I started charging for access and it

00:30:49.455 --> 00:30:50.516
was like twenty bucks a month or

00:30:50.535 --> 00:30:50.917
something.

00:30:51.276 --> 00:30:52.718
So I was paying twenty bucks a month

00:30:53.080 --> 00:30:55.763
to connect via, you know,

00:30:55.883 --> 00:31:00.150
telephone to this one specific BBS server

00:31:01.311 --> 00:31:02.392
before I

00:31:03.393 --> 00:31:06.075
realized, A, that you could do that over,

00:31:06.176 --> 00:31:07.576
I think, Telnet or something.

00:31:07.637 --> 00:31:09.737
Yeah, I know Telnet.

00:31:09.777 --> 00:31:11.359
Which I learned later that you could do

00:31:11.399 --> 00:31:12.139
that over Telnet.

00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:13.539
But at the time,

00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:15.500
it was direct dial to the server.

00:31:16.042 --> 00:31:17.723
And I paid for that for at least

00:31:17.763 --> 00:31:19.363
a couple months before I got my actual

00:31:19.403 --> 00:31:20.323
first internet access.

00:31:20.383 --> 00:31:21.725
And when I got internet access and I

00:31:21.745 --> 00:31:22.705
realized you could just do that over

00:31:22.725 --> 00:31:23.045
Telnet,

00:31:23.686 --> 00:31:24.866
then I was doing that all the time.

00:31:25.566 --> 00:31:25.866
But yeah,

00:31:25.907 --> 00:31:28.589
so I never did AOL chat rooms because

00:31:28.669 --> 00:31:31.531
I was in the old school text-based PBS

00:31:31.551 --> 00:31:31.831
rooms.

00:31:33.221 --> 00:31:34.043
Oh, okay, okay.

00:31:34.623 --> 00:31:35.364
So,

00:31:35.445 --> 00:31:37.407
and the reason why I know about Telnet

00:31:37.587 --> 00:31:39.769
is because, okay, so for my brain, right,

00:31:39.831 --> 00:31:42.254
the internet kind of started with America

00:31:42.333 --> 00:31:42.693
Online.

00:31:43.455 --> 00:31:44.796
And then there was Earthlink.

00:31:46.294 --> 00:31:47.475
I had Earthlink.

00:31:47.874 --> 00:31:49.556
My parents used America Online.

00:31:50.817 --> 00:31:53.980
I think it was because it was in

00:31:54.322 --> 00:31:58.926
a PC magazine or something for ISPs.

00:31:59.786 --> 00:32:02.048
I didn't want to do AOL.

00:32:02.089 --> 00:32:04.071
I had a friend that did CompuServe.

00:32:05.291 --> 00:32:08.412
um that's right yeah yeah um and i

00:32:08.432 --> 00:32:09.432
was like i don't want to do either

00:32:09.473 --> 00:32:12.394
of those things and i i did figure

00:32:12.455 --> 00:32:14.315
out pretty early on that you didn't need

00:32:14.355 --> 00:32:17.437
to because like at the time aol presented

00:32:17.477 --> 00:32:19.517
itself like this is the only way you

00:32:19.537 --> 00:32:21.538
can access the internet this is this is

00:32:21.558 --> 00:32:23.479
the gateway to the internet you have to

00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:25.721
do it through our weird browser

00:32:26.141 --> 00:32:28.223
application that does all the things

00:32:29.263 --> 00:32:31.465
um and like no actually actually there's

00:32:31.485 --> 00:32:33.565
stuff that's already on your computer like

00:32:33.585 --> 00:32:35.066
a browser that can do this and your

00:32:35.207 --> 00:32:36.807
computer already has like an email thing

00:32:36.848 --> 00:32:39.170
and like yeah oh man i remember getting

00:32:39.229 --> 00:32:41.750
earthlink yeah and it's like wait you can

00:32:41.771 --> 00:32:44.013
just get online you just do it yeah

00:32:46.851 --> 00:32:52.154
I also did tech support.

00:32:53.295 --> 00:32:56.619
My second real job was retail after

00:32:56.659 --> 00:32:57.038
college.

00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.621
And I left retail because it sucks.

00:33:03.143 --> 00:33:05.686
And I did tech support because I'm a

00:33:05.727 --> 00:33:07.188
nerd and I know computer stuff.

00:33:07.227 --> 00:33:09.489
And so I could probably do tech support.

00:33:09.729 --> 00:33:11.210
And so my first tech support job was

00:33:11.230 --> 00:33:11.792
for MSN.

00:33:12.411 --> 00:33:16.654
So again, back to the dial-up stuff.

00:33:17.215 --> 00:33:18.916
So it's like a different flavor,

00:33:18.936 --> 00:33:20.777
and also MSN was awful.

00:33:20.837 --> 00:33:22.538
But slightly maybe less awful.

00:33:23.238 --> 00:33:23.518
Maybe.

00:33:23.538 --> 00:33:24.259
I don't know.

00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:24.439
Maybe.

00:33:26.865 --> 00:33:28.227
What was I going to ask you about?

00:33:28.247 --> 00:33:29.949
Oh, so about Telnet.

00:33:30.090 --> 00:33:31.092
I really want to talk about Telnet because

00:33:31.112 --> 00:33:32.273
I never get to talk about Telnet, right?

00:33:33.334 --> 00:33:36.518
So I know about Telnet because when I

00:33:36.558 --> 00:33:37.781
was in the AOL chats, right,

00:33:37.841 --> 00:33:39.783
I learned about role play games and stuff,

00:33:39.803 --> 00:33:39.943
right?

00:33:39.964 --> 00:33:41.205
And I got to play like games like,

00:33:41.225 --> 00:33:42.546
you know, Yasha and stuff, right?

00:33:42.908 --> 00:33:44.308
Just making up my own storylines with

00:33:44.329 --> 00:33:44.590
people.

00:33:44.949 --> 00:33:45.750
Cause I loved writing.

00:33:46.071 --> 00:33:47.631
And then I also love sci-fi books.

00:33:48.013 --> 00:33:49.974
And I read all of these books by

00:33:50.495 --> 00:33:51.074
Anne McCaffrey,

00:33:51.094 --> 00:33:52.176
the dragon writers of Pern.

00:33:52.216 --> 00:33:53.658
I've read like a bunch of other stuff,

00:33:54.017 --> 00:33:55.558
but I, when I think about it,

00:33:55.698 --> 00:33:57.121
that is another reason why I got into

00:33:57.141 --> 00:34:00.804
code because I joined the Pern world mush

00:34:00.823 --> 00:34:00.923
and

00:34:02.384 --> 00:34:03.506
if people don't know what a mush is

00:34:03.585 --> 00:34:05.346
it's a multi-user shared hallucination

00:34:05.408 --> 00:34:07.669
it's a place where people used to go

00:34:07.929 --> 00:34:09.510
and we used to do like role play

00:34:09.811 --> 00:34:11.112
and like come up with characters and

00:34:11.171 --> 00:34:12.873
scenes and like we had to like organize

00:34:12.893 --> 00:34:14.814
everything and everyone and I was dolphin

00:34:14.874 --> 00:34:16.796
rider as one of my characters I had

00:34:17.797 --> 00:34:23.201
Salus and Anastasia they had like very I

00:34:23.221 --> 00:34:25.683
got dragged once I was like a sixteen

00:34:25.704 --> 00:34:27.364
year old girl getting dragged for shit

00:34:27.404 --> 00:34:29.066
because I would describe my character's

00:34:29.147 --> 00:34:30.468
eyes as like emeraldics

00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:33.779
I found the forum post and then I

00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:35.680
showed up and I was like, hi,

00:34:35.781 --> 00:34:36.281
it's me.

00:34:36.681 --> 00:34:38.262
Yes, I know that I'm not really good,

00:34:38.282 --> 00:34:39.682
but I'm trying to get better at writing.

00:34:39.723 --> 00:34:41.183
And they're like, oh my God, like,

00:34:41.683 --> 00:34:42.225
oh my God,

00:34:42.745 --> 00:34:43.765
it's so great to see you here.

00:34:43.785 --> 00:34:46.127
And it's like, yeah, yeah, I saw it.

00:34:46.187 --> 00:34:48.267
I just spoke up, but there was that.

00:34:48.388 --> 00:34:49.889
But as a, as a,

00:34:50.409 --> 00:34:52.029
I ended up being a dragon writer and,

00:34:52.429 --> 00:34:53.150
And a werewoman.

00:34:54.533 --> 00:34:55.274
I was a gold rider.

00:34:55.353 --> 00:34:56.875
So if you don't know about Pern.

00:34:57.616 --> 00:34:58.977
If a gold dragon chooses you.

00:34:59.399 --> 00:35:00.380
You are going to be one of the

00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:01.901
people that becomes a werewoman.

00:35:02.022 --> 00:35:02.983
And that leaves an area.

00:35:03.102 --> 00:35:04.505
And so I got to be like.

00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:07.342
in character as one right and i will

00:35:07.441 --> 00:35:09.343
never forget like the day that like my

00:35:09.403 --> 00:35:11.525
dragon hatched and like it touched my mind

00:35:11.604 --> 00:35:13.226
in the game right and i was like

00:35:13.246 --> 00:35:14.967
i got chosen and my dragon is so

00:35:15.026 --> 00:35:17.909
beautiful and she was uh the gilded lily

00:35:18.189 --> 00:35:20.051
that was her dragon description i think i

00:35:20.071 --> 00:35:21.512
still have it somewhere if i find it

00:35:21.552 --> 00:35:22.491
i will send it to you for show

00:35:22.552 --> 00:35:25.193
notes yeah but i learned how to code

00:35:25.233 --> 00:35:28.575
my dolphin oh nice yeah i learned

00:35:28.635 --> 00:35:30.238
object-oriented programming through being

00:35:30.258 --> 00:35:30.838
a dolphin writer

00:35:31.374 --> 00:35:32.635
back in the day, like,

00:35:32.735 --> 00:35:34.296
cause all of that stuff is text-based.

00:35:34.316 --> 00:35:35.818
So there wasn't like, yeah.

00:35:35.858 --> 00:35:37.860
So like it was, uh,

00:35:38.881 --> 00:35:40.883
we use terms like multi-user shared

00:35:40.903 --> 00:35:41.365
hallucination.

00:35:41.405 --> 00:35:42.827
Now they're actually like things that

00:35:43.166 --> 00:35:45.108
legitimately like could be described as

00:35:45.128 --> 00:35:45.990
doing that for real.

00:35:46.209 --> 00:35:47.151
Um,

00:35:47.191 --> 00:35:48.833
arguably sore as a multi-user shared

00:35:48.852 --> 00:35:51.135
hallucination, but, um, I like that.

00:35:51.535 --> 00:35:52.316
Uh,

00:35:52.996 --> 00:35:53.796
But, yeah,

00:35:53.816 --> 00:35:55.017
and there's multi-user dungeons.

00:35:55.037 --> 00:35:55.659
There's MUDs.

00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:57.059
I think there was a couple MUDs that

00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:58.260
were operating out of the BBSs that I

00:35:58.340 --> 00:35:58.860
was doing.

00:35:58.921 --> 00:36:04.405
But, yeah, that's real old school.

00:36:04.487 --> 00:36:06.929
I think that maybe is a segue, maybe,

00:36:07.508 --> 00:36:11.072
into you mentioned earlier at the

00:36:11.092 --> 00:36:14.034
beginning of the show that you are a

00:36:14.095 --> 00:36:16.637
content creator with capital Cs.

00:36:16.738 --> 00:36:18.599
I guess so, yes.

00:36:20.380 --> 00:36:24.282
Talk about doing that stuff.

00:36:24.302 --> 00:36:24.503
I mean,

00:36:24.563 --> 00:36:26.425
I feel like that kind of comes out

00:36:26.485 --> 00:36:28.706
of like an extension of, you know,

00:36:28.845 --> 00:36:30.787
DevRel is often kind of like the face

00:36:30.887 --> 00:36:33.209
of the company in a lot of ways.

00:36:33.769 --> 00:36:36.851
And content creation is often part of the

00:36:36.871 --> 00:36:37.612
work that we do,

00:36:37.651 --> 00:36:40.233
but like you're doing it for like,

00:36:40.974 --> 00:36:43.095
not just like representing a company,

00:36:43.135 --> 00:36:46.057
but representing yourself or a version of

00:36:46.097 --> 00:36:46.517
yourself.

00:36:46.557 --> 00:36:48.278
Like talk about getting into that sort of

00:36:48.298 --> 00:36:48.679
stuff more.

00:36:49.278 --> 00:36:49.537
Yeah.

00:36:49.878 --> 00:36:52.798
It's really funny because before I was on

00:36:52.858 --> 00:36:54.218
here, right, Chris sent me a message.

00:36:54.238 --> 00:36:54.479
He's like,

00:36:54.698 --> 00:36:55.878
you should apply to be on my podcast.

00:36:55.898 --> 00:36:56.179
I was like,

00:36:56.198 --> 00:36:57.519
I don't know what I talk about.

00:36:57.539 --> 00:36:58.499
And he's like, whatever you want to.

00:36:58.519 --> 00:36:59.700
And I'm like, okay.

00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.059
And as I'm filling out the form,

00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:01.921
I'm like, wait,

00:37:02.380 --> 00:37:04.780
should I be on here as Taryn Almondarez

00:37:05.401 --> 00:37:06.362
or should I be on here as Nine

00:37:06.401 --> 00:37:07.122
Lights Black Cat?

00:37:08.061 --> 00:37:08.961
And then I realized, oh,

00:37:09.101 --> 00:37:10.622
I do have something to talk about.

00:37:10.682 --> 00:37:13.622
Like just all the ways that identity forms

00:37:13.883 --> 00:37:17.644
and is shaped by like, for me personally,

00:37:19.050 --> 00:37:21.311
I don't identify as things first.

00:37:21.952 --> 00:37:22.452
I do.

00:37:22.613 --> 00:37:23.892
I feel I want.

00:37:24.392 --> 00:37:26.153
And then I find out eventually that that's

00:37:26.173 --> 00:37:27.014
an identity, right?

00:37:28.034 --> 00:37:30.075
I did not know that people paid people

00:37:30.155 --> 00:37:30.996
to make websites.

00:37:31.336 --> 00:37:32.256
I remember that I wanted to be a

00:37:32.296 --> 00:37:33.896
school teacher because I wanted to help

00:37:33.916 --> 00:37:34.238
people.

00:37:34.697 --> 00:37:36.438
And then I learned how to code.

00:37:36.479 --> 00:37:37.539
And then people were like, you know,

00:37:37.619 --> 00:37:38.959
people will pay you to make websites for

00:37:38.979 --> 00:37:39.099
them.

00:37:39.139 --> 00:37:40.420
I'm like, why would anyone do that?

00:37:40.439 --> 00:37:40.900
That's weird.

00:37:42.601 --> 00:37:46.142
And going into, wait, I lost my thread.

00:37:47.193 --> 00:37:47.552
Hold on.

00:37:48.213 --> 00:37:49.593
I got it.

00:37:49.653 --> 00:37:51.014
So, okay.

00:37:51.394 --> 00:37:54.115
So I tend to do before I identify

00:37:54.717 --> 00:37:57.017
and I lost it again.

00:37:57.057 --> 00:37:57.438
Come on, dude.

00:37:57.798 --> 00:37:58.017
Okay.

00:37:58.458 --> 00:37:58.758
Hold on.

00:37:58.798 --> 00:38:01.380
Do before I identify.

00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:03.601
Your question to me was...

00:38:04.581 --> 00:38:07.081
Getting into content creation.

00:38:07.101 --> 00:38:07.662
Oh, yeah.

00:38:08.043 --> 00:38:09.804
Okay.

00:38:09.843 --> 00:38:11.323
So I do before I identify, right?

00:38:11.845 --> 00:38:12.104
And...

00:38:13.834 --> 00:38:16.577
When I lost my job at GitLab,

00:38:16.597 --> 00:38:17.720
which is like a whole story, right?

00:38:18.740 --> 00:38:19.702
See it on some other podcast,

00:38:19.742 --> 00:38:20.182
not this one.

00:38:21.666 --> 00:38:24.209
But I lost that job and I needed

00:38:24.269 --> 00:38:25.070
something to do.

00:38:25.391 --> 00:38:26.992
But I also realized like...

00:38:27.889 --> 00:38:30.231
a lot of what I had been doing

00:38:30.311 --> 00:38:33.271
or how I was identified was by what

00:38:33.351 --> 00:38:35.331
other people told me, right?

00:38:35.351 --> 00:38:36.952
Like they gave me titles.

00:38:37.693 --> 00:38:38.753
They told me at one point,

00:38:38.872 --> 00:38:39.414
somebody was like,

00:38:39.454 --> 00:38:40.813
you can just pick whatever title you want.

00:38:40.834 --> 00:38:41.693
And I'm like, I'm sorry, what?

00:38:41.713 --> 00:38:42.715
And they're like, we will pay you money.

00:38:42.974 --> 00:38:43.135
Just,

00:38:43.595 --> 00:38:44.834
and you can have whatever title you want.

00:38:45.235 --> 00:38:47.516
And so I actually had to think about

00:38:47.655 --> 00:38:49.137
what it was I wanted to be called.

00:38:49.697 --> 00:38:51.376
Like what label did I want to put

00:38:51.456 --> 00:38:53.137
on the thing that I wanted to do

00:38:53.157 --> 00:38:53.717
for someone?

00:38:54.278 --> 00:38:55.639
And then when I lost that job,

00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:56.258
I was like, well,

00:38:57.784 --> 00:39:00.345
I know that I enjoy teaching people.

00:39:00.566 --> 00:39:01.887
I love being a developer advocate.

00:39:01.967 --> 00:39:03.927
I loved putting together the materials and

00:39:04.088 --> 00:39:05.548
facilitating trainings and stuff.

00:39:06.249 --> 00:39:09.910
And I realized that with the skill set

00:39:09.930 --> 00:39:10.530
that I had,

00:39:11.430 --> 00:39:13.171
I could do my own business.

00:39:13.191 --> 00:39:14.072
I could run my own business.

00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:17.660
often when I was working with people,

00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:18.641
I was telling them, well,

00:39:18.660 --> 00:39:19.820
this is what the problem is.

00:39:20.561 --> 00:39:21.742
Like they would, they would tell me like,

00:39:21.862 --> 00:39:23.142
here's all these things that we know are

00:39:23.162 --> 00:39:23.642
going wrong,

00:39:23.682 --> 00:39:25.023
but we don't know how to solve it.

00:39:25.682 --> 00:39:27.543
And so I realized like that,

00:39:27.863 --> 00:39:29.604
that's what people call a consultant.

00:39:29.825 --> 00:39:30.744
Like sometimes I will Google,

00:39:30.805 --> 00:39:32.164
what is the person that does this, this,

00:39:32.184 --> 00:39:32.785
this, this, this,

00:39:33.126 --> 00:39:35.405
because being able to have a label and

00:39:35.425 --> 00:39:36.086
being able to be like,

00:39:36.726 --> 00:39:38.307
I tell people I'm a technical marketing

00:39:38.467 --> 00:39:39.028
consultant.

00:39:39.648 --> 00:39:42.369
And so some of them, like for me,

00:39:42.608 --> 00:39:42.929
I don't,

00:39:43.851 --> 00:39:45.633
I feel like saying technical marketing

00:39:45.673 --> 00:39:46.793
together tells people,

00:39:47.233 --> 00:39:48.336
I help you sell things,

00:39:48.876 --> 00:39:50.256
but I'm helping you with the technical

00:39:50.276 --> 00:39:51.157
side of this problem.

00:39:51.999 --> 00:39:53.680
And then consultant means I don't

00:39:53.720 --> 00:39:55.342
necessarily work for you,

00:39:55.642 --> 00:39:57.945
but I work with you.

00:39:57.985 --> 00:40:00.568
Those things communicate what it is that I

00:40:00.787 --> 00:40:00.988
do.

00:40:01.849 --> 00:40:04.170
And it gives a person an identity that

00:40:04.189 --> 00:40:05.231
they can attach to it.

00:40:05.791 --> 00:40:08.351
And so when I knew that I was

00:40:08.372 --> 00:40:09.492
going to be unemployed for a while and

00:40:09.512 --> 00:40:11.372
that I wanted to not like just jump

00:40:11.432 --> 00:40:13.334
into the next job as I had done

00:40:13.534 --> 00:40:15.314
for like many years,

00:40:15.834 --> 00:40:17.476
especially like being a mom,

00:40:17.816 --> 00:40:19.057
I wanted to be able to define my

00:40:19.117 --> 00:40:19.637
own path.

00:40:20.177 --> 00:40:20.738
I was like, well,

00:40:21.758 --> 00:40:23.258
there are people who stream on Twitch and

00:40:23.278 --> 00:40:29.561
I've watched Twitch streams and I can help

00:40:29.601 --> 00:40:30.222
them with things.

00:40:31.104 --> 00:40:33.766
And I already have all this equipment from

00:40:33.805 --> 00:40:35.166
when I was a developer advocate.

00:40:35.726 --> 00:40:36.247
I can stream.

00:40:36.327 --> 00:40:37.068
I've been streaming.

00:40:37.427 --> 00:40:39.068
So I just started streaming.

00:40:39.329 --> 00:40:41.749
I learned more about how to put setups

00:40:41.769 --> 00:40:42.151
together.

00:40:42.811 --> 00:40:45.372
And I started playing games with people in

00:40:45.412 --> 00:40:45.753
between.

00:40:46.012 --> 00:40:47.054
So yeah.

00:40:48.171 --> 00:40:50.474
So on Twitch, I am nine lives,

00:40:50.514 --> 00:40:51.054
black cat.

00:40:51.354 --> 00:40:53.115
I brought my name back, reclaimed it.

00:40:53.175 --> 00:40:54.756
Right.

00:40:54.776 --> 00:40:56.599
I freak out every time somebody Googles it

00:40:56.619 --> 00:40:58.420
and they're like, holy crap, you were get,

00:40:58.439 --> 00:40:58.820
get love.

00:40:58.840 --> 00:40:59.081
And I'm like,

00:40:59.121 --> 00:41:00.481
do not mention my real life in this

00:41:00.501 --> 00:41:02.142
chat ever again.

00:41:02.162 --> 00:41:02.602
Don't do it.

00:41:03.063 --> 00:41:04.064
I'm getting more comfortable with it.

00:41:04.124 --> 00:41:04.564
Right.

00:41:04.584 --> 00:41:06.186
I'm going to talk about fragmented

00:41:06.586 --> 00:41:07.307
identities too.

00:41:07.327 --> 00:41:08.068
That would be cool.

00:41:08.188 --> 00:41:08.867
I know we don't have a lot of

00:41:08.907 --> 00:41:11.671
time, but you know,

00:41:12.550 --> 00:41:17.255
I ended up doing content creation as like,

00:41:18.318 --> 00:41:21.019
a side effect of this is what I

00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:21.599
want to do.

00:41:21.700 --> 00:41:23.601
This is what I want to give to

00:41:23.641 --> 00:41:25.782
the world and to like the community.

00:41:25.842 --> 00:41:26.921
I think that's why I'm so,

00:41:27.581 --> 00:41:28.642
I'm still in open source.

00:41:28.682 --> 00:41:29.983
I keep getting sucked back into open

00:41:30.023 --> 00:41:34.744
source is because it's not about like who

00:41:34.845 --> 00:41:35.204
I am.

00:41:35.264 --> 00:41:36.345
It's like what I want to do and

00:41:36.385 --> 00:41:37.666
what I want to give into the world.

00:41:38.146 --> 00:41:39.546
And so that's how I ended up being

00:41:39.586 --> 00:41:40.267
a Twitch streamer.

00:41:41.046 --> 00:41:42.166
I am, what is it?

00:41:42.186 --> 00:41:44.247
I am the cozy crash out coworking

00:41:44.287 --> 00:41:44.688
streamer.

00:41:45.227 --> 00:41:46.068
Like there's a whole thing.

00:41:46.289 --> 00:41:46.668
And like,

00:41:46.829 --> 00:41:49.871
We have our bad luck battalion in Nine

00:41:49.910 --> 00:41:51.331
Lives Black Cats Twitch chat.

00:41:51.731 --> 00:41:52.992
I've actually been doing a lot of stuff

00:41:53.012 --> 00:41:55.374
to prepare us for next year, this year,

00:41:55.693 --> 00:41:56.313
when you see this,

00:41:56.554 --> 00:41:57.595
because we just hit five hundred

00:41:57.615 --> 00:41:59.675
followers, which is big to me.

00:41:59.715 --> 00:41:59.996
Right.

00:42:00.135 --> 00:42:01.376
It's not like a big number.

00:42:01.456 --> 00:42:02.097
But for me,

00:42:02.256 --> 00:42:03.958
I'm intentionally building this community

00:42:04.418 --> 00:42:06.358
of people that want to have fun and

00:42:06.398 --> 00:42:08.079
play games and be silly and also like

00:42:08.139 --> 00:42:08.860
want to get shit done.

00:42:09.260 --> 00:42:11.501
Like those are the core of like.

00:42:12.209 --> 00:42:14.171
the identity of the battalion.

00:42:14.412 --> 00:42:15.892
And we like to say that we make

00:42:15.932 --> 00:42:16.434
our own look.

00:42:16.454 --> 00:42:20.577
So yeah, that's why I do content creation.

00:42:20.798 --> 00:42:24.561
That's definitely a far cry from like the

00:42:24.621 --> 00:42:29.764
traditional sort of be like launch a

00:42:29.825 --> 00:42:32.727
Twitch stream and get a million followers

00:42:32.787 --> 00:42:33.608
and like, you know,

00:42:33.648 --> 00:42:36.391
like intentionally building a community of

00:42:36.470 --> 00:42:37.912
people that like,

00:42:38.992 --> 00:42:40.814
Like just building it with intention,

00:42:40.874 --> 00:42:41.115
right?

00:42:41.135 --> 00:42:42.735
Like figuring out like who you want,

00:42:42.996 --> 00:42:46.499
who you want to be include and who

00:42:46.539 --> 00:42:48.880
you, and like cultivating that.

00:42:50.041 --> 00:42:52.182
What sorts of things do you do to

00:42:52.242 --> 00:42:56.686
help foster that community growth and the

00:42:56.726 --> 00:42:59.447
intention that goes into it?

00:42:59.528 --> 00:43:01.110
I know I spend a lot of time

00:43:01.150 --> 00:43:04.271
thinking about who are the people that

00:43:04.331 --> 00:43:05.452
need this?

00:43:05.492 --> 00:43:05.773
Like,

00:43:07.269 --> 00:43:08.530
I know for myself as a person with

00:43:08.590 --> 00:43:09.130
ADHD,

00:43:09.170 --> 00:43:11.151
having somebody that I can body double

00:43:11.171 --> 00:43:12.731
with, that helps me to get things done.

00:43:13.410 --> 00:43:18.273
And I know that I don't do silent

00:43:18.293 --> 00:43:19.273
co-working, right?

00:43:20.052 --> 00:43:21.492
I chat with them throughout it.

00:43:22.253 --> 00:43:23.653
I keep people encouraged.

00:43:23.713 --> 00:43:25.534
I share the struggles that I've been

00:43:25.554 --> 00:43:25.854
through.

00:43:25.954 --> 00:43:27.914
I was diagnosed late in my life with

00:43:27.974 --> 00:43:28.534
ADHD.

00:43:30.215 --> 00:43:31.896
I also spend time

00:43:33.682 --> 00:43:34.963
I'm not just working on my stuff.

00:43:35.244 --> 00:43:37.805
I encourage the viewers to come and ask

00:43:37.845 --> 00:43:38.347
me questions.

00:43:38.367 --> 00:43:40.148
It's like, well, how do I do this?

00:43:40.367 --> 00:43:40.948
I am a streamer.

00:43:40.968 --> 00:43:43.329
And that's sometimes against streamer

00:43:43.389 --> 00:43:44.550
etiquette to mention that you stream.

00:43:44.590 --> 00:43:45.452
It's like, if you're a streamer,

00:43:45.492 --> 00:43:46.872
please come to me with a problem because

00:43:46.992 --> 00:43:48.374
I love fixing problems.

00:43:49.054 --> 00:43:50.755
And we will fix things online.

00:43:50.996 --> 00:43:53.077
Sorry, we will fix things live.

00:43:54.217 --> 00:43:55.798
Sometimes people will send their issues

00:43:55.838 --> 00:43:56.820
and then we try to get that

00:43:57.601 --> 00:43:58.182
solve there.

00:43:58.842 --> 00:43:59.363
To that end,

00:43:59.383 --> 00:44:02.086
we use a co-working bot that is the

00:44:02.106 --> 00:44:02.787
SuperSleep bot.

00:44:02.947 --> 00:44:03.548
It's really cool.

00:44:03.947 --> 00:44:05.789
It's a Pomodoro timer and it keeps us

00:44:06.211 --> 00:44:08.193
focused and moving and it's really cool.

00:44:09.113 --> 00:44:09.954
One of the things that we're going to

00:44:09.974 --> 00:44:11.177
be doing this next year,

00:44:11.577 --> 00:44:13.479
because the nature of my work has changed,

00:44:13.740 --> 00:44:14.421
we're doing like

00:44:15.215 --> 00:44:16.936
five hours of co-working from like,

00:44:17.298 --> 00:44:17.657
ten a.m.

00:44:17.697 --> 00:44:18.479
until three p.m.,

00:44:19.179 --> 00:44:20.459
and it used to be when I was

00:44:20.501 --> 00:44:21.180
unemployed, right,

00:44:21.260 --> 00:44:22.682
we would do two hours of co-working,

00:44:23.043 --> 00:44:24.823
and then we would have like, okay,

00:44:24.963 --> 00:44:25.744
you finish your task,

00:44:26.005 --> 00:44:27.747
you have two hours to like, play games,

00:44:27.767 --> 00:44:27.927
like,

00:44:27.967 --> 00:44:29.407
you're rewarding yourself because you ate

00:44:29.427 --> 00:44:29.787
the frog.

00:44:30.948 --> 00:44:33.651
Now, we're doing a change where,

00:44:33.691 --> 00:44:34.653
and I think that it'll work,

00:44:34.972 --> 00:44:35.854
and if it doesn't,

00:44:35.874 --> 00:44:37.014
we can always try something else,

00:44:37.434 --> 00:44:39.035
which is important, like,

00:44:39.436 --> 00:44:41.037
when you get perfectionism in your head.

00:44:41.376 --> 00:44:42.617
you got to say those things out loud.

00:44:43.858 --> 00:44:46.918
We will be doing something where in the

00:44:47.059 --> 00:44:48.619
evenings where we play gameplay,

00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:50.459
we're going to acknowledge like,

00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:51.659
here's all the people that came and

00:44:51.680 --> 00:44:52.400
co-work today.

00:44:52.720 --> 00:44:53.820
And here's what they got done.

00:44:54.541 --> 00:44:56.360
Like, it's not just about games.

00:44:56.401 --> 00:44:58.662
Like we are all of ourselves.

00:44:58.862 --> 00:44:59.662
We're not just gamers.

00:44:59.702 --> 00:45:00.963
We're not just people that have jobs.

00:45:02.302 --> 00:45:03.383
And it's kind of,

00:45:05.304 --> 00:45:06.804
it's kind of tracking along with my

00:45:06.843 --> 00:45:08.885
journey and understanding that like,

00:45:09.776 --> 00:45:11.436
I don't have to fragment myself.

00:45:11.557 --> 00:45:13.099
I don't have to fragment my identity.

00:45:13.979 --> 00:45:15.780
I can show up as my full self

00:45:16.802 --> 00:45:18.423
and still be valid.

00:45:19.023 --> 00:45:20.023
And I realized that that's really

00:45:20.043 --> 00:45:22.106
important for me to model to the people

00:45:22.126 --> 00:45:22.987
that are following me,

00:45:23.666 --> 00:45:26.769
because that's a type of leadership too,

00:45:26.950 --> 00:45:28.550
being your whole self.

00:45:28.771 --> 00:45:28.910
Well,

00:45:28.990 --> 00:45:31.492
I feel like that is an excellent note

00:45:31.572 --> 00:45:32.934
to end on.

00:45:32.994 --> 00:45:34.776
Before we go, Taryn,

00:45:35.135 --> 00:45:36.997
where can people find you online?

00:45:37.508 --> 00:45:37.990
Oh, my gosh.

00:45:38.369 --> 00:45:39.791
Pretty much all over the place.

00:45:39.910 --> 00:45:40.291
Everywhere.

00:45:40.311 --> 00:45:42.673
A little bit.

00:45:42.874 --> 00:45:44.034
I am on Twitch.tv.

00:45:44.275 --> 00:45:47.458
Twitch.tv slash Nine Lives Black Cat.

00:45:48.238 --> 00:45:49.720
I'm also on Instagram under all those

00:45:49.740 --> 00:45:49.880
things.

00:45:49.900 --> 00:45:51.121
So if you see Nine Lives Black Cat

00:45:51.441 --> 00:45:52.923
on Drupal.org, yes, that's me.

00:45:53.063 --> 00:45:53.983
Twitch, yes, that's me.

00:45:54.164 --> 00:45:55.005
Instagram, yes, that's me.

00:45:55.064 --> 00:45:56.626
TikTok, yes, that's me.

00:45:57.447 --> 00:45:58.588
None of that stuff is my fault.

00:45:58.668 --> 00:46:00.148
It is all of the audience's fault if

00:46:00.170 --> 00:46:00.610
you see that.

00:46:01.651 --> 00:46:03.932
I am also at nlbcworks.com.

00:46:03.952 --> 00:46:06.874
That's my technical marketing that we do.

00:46:07.035 --> 00:46:07.575
Sorry.

00:46:07.595 --> 00:46:09.537
That's my technical marketing consulting

00:46:09.577 --> 00:46:09.758
firm.

00:46:09.818 --> 00:46:11.059
It feels so weird saying that.

00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:11.900
It's like,

00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:12.901
this is the place where I hung my

00:46:12.921 --> 00:46:13.280
shingle.

00:46:13.762 --> 00:46:15.242
And then I'm on LinkedIn.

00:46:15.923 --> 00:46:17.425
And I'm also on Axe.

00:46:19.588 --> 00:46:22.512
And I feel like there is some sort

00:46:22.572 --> 00:46:25.776
of a, what's it called,

00:46:26.258 --> 00:46:27.800
reality thing that you were doing.

00:46:27.820 --> 00:46:28.660
Oh, my God.

00:46:29.282 --> 00:46:30.905
I have too many identities, yes.

00:46:32.026 --> 00:46:34.729
I have also been a contestant on...

00:46:35.291 --> 00:46:37.271
these live reality games they are like an

00:46:37.331 --> 00:46:39.894
amateur version of like the two that i

00:46:39.914 --> 00:46:42.374
was on are olympia which is kind of

00:46:42.394 --> 00:46:44.675
like the challenge uh i am on season

00:46:44.715 --> 00:46:47.818
three of that one none of that is

00:46:47.878 --> 00:46:49.499
my fault that's all i had to say

00:46:49.858 --> 00:46:52.041
and then i am in season two of

00:46:52.081 --> 00:46:53.842
destination mole which is part of the

00:46:53.862 --> 00:46:55.883
destination adventures brand where i am

00:46:55.923 --> 00:46:58.644
now one of the heads of videography well

00:46:58.664 --> 00:47:00.885
i'll show notes there's too many

00:47:00.965 --> 00:47:02.666
identities i'm so sorry chris i'm like

00:47:02.706 --> 00:47:04.867
hexadecimal from reboot right just

00:47:08.396 --> 00:47:10.017
right well thanks again Taryn for coming

00:47:10.137 --> 00:47:12.800
on thank you all for listening or watching

00:47:12.820 --> 00:47:14.883
this in the future or in the past

00:47:14.943 --> 00:47:16.124
or whenever it is that you're watching

00:47:16.144 --> 00:47:18.648
this and to everyone at all we'll see

00:47:18.668 --> 00:47:19.990
you on the internet bye